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Set aside the actual issue mentioned in this clip and any partisan angle. Now, define "homophobe" which comes from the term "homophobic."
I was under the impression it meant a "FEAR OF" but apparently it has been redefined, as many terms have (i.e. tolerance), to mean anyone who even remotely disagrees with any part of a homosexual issue.
My taxes pay his salary and I expect those in elected office to act like an adult and deal with the issue at hand without this kind of misleading childish schoolyard name calling.
Please, if you disagree just explain to me where I am wrong with my analysis.
Apparently if a popular group wants to alienate someone who is not in their camp, they need only use an extreme name to label that person, and the effect on the larger population is a view that the labelled person should be avoided. Kinda like pro-choice folks being called pro-abortion, or vice versa. Name-calling is very powerful, and the area where you can cross into it is gray and shady.
While I am not certain of Justice Scalia's position on same sex issues, or yours for that matter, I think I could take an opportunity to apply some of my grad school metaphor theory here!
Defense of Marriage propositions: Let's take the word defense--conceptual metaphor theory would link this word to WAR concepts. You don't defend or protect unless you feel as though something is at risk or threatened. In this case, I think Defense of Marriage suggests that the belief that marriage is one man, one woman is being threatened. And feeling threatened usually involves some level of fear. So, while you may not fear homosexual people, the lifestyle and structure, potentially extending similar rights to them might cause you to believe your own beliefs and structures are at risk. So, I would say there is some fear in that. And that would be a homophobic. Whether it was a professional, respectful way to speak is a different story, but I don't think his linguistic choice was inaccurate.
If there is some other position at play that I'm not aware of, I'd love to hear it. Lesley
VERY interesting take, Lesley, and not one I would have thought of. While I can see your point (and am really glad you brought it up)... I still have to disagree.
I think for me, the term "homophobe" is bigger than just the Defense of marriage act. If someone were to call me a homophobe because I don't support gay marriage, I would be extremely offended... because, following your line of logic, that would make me a "loss-of-hetero-rights/traditions/values-phobe"... I'd be afraid of losing the heterosexual marriages. Not afraid of gay people.
Oh yeah... and it also reminds me of another completely misused word: "TOLERANCE."
If you are a Christian and disagree with things popular in today's culture (even IF you don't fight against those things, or badmouth those things, or are good friends with people who DO those things), you are labeled "intolerant."
If you do everything popular in today's culture, but speak out and act emphatically opposed to a Christian belief system, you are "tolerant."
Sure, Emily. One belief does not define a person. it is more complicated than that. Of course, seeing a gay person isn't going to send you running in fear. But I do see opposition to same sex marriage as a homophobic position. Homophobic acting as an adjective to describe the position. I don't use it here as a dirty word, or a label for a person, simply as a descriptor. I am fairly certain Barney Frank wasn't being so judicious. I'd like to hear more about this concern with the word tolerance. Both you and Brittany mentioned it. I'm not sure that I fully understand. What does Tolerance mean to you?
For me at least... it's allowing other people to be who they are (GLBT, Mormon, Athiest, liberal, etc.) while completely disagreeing with them.
Do I try to share with them about what I believe, do, see, etc.? For the most part, yes. I don't accept their position, but I accept that they have a different belief. (the whole concept of agreeing to disagree.)
I don't see anything wrong with that.
However... Christians are often labeled as intolerant simply because we won't accept others' positions. I am "intolerant" because I believe abortion is wrong. I am "intolerant" because I don't support gay marriage.
One caveat... some "Christians" go to the extreme... I'm not talking about them here. I'm talking about people like Britt and I... normal, Bible-believing, Jesus-loving, people... trying to do what is right.
Why not remember this act of love and sacrifice daily rather than just at Easter? Yes, this event is an indescribably joyous one because Jesus did rise from the dead but we should never forget how and why He suffered unimaginably before defeating Death and Hell itself on our behalf. He did so while thinking of you and me. In doing so he personally took on our sin, our pain and a debt we could not pay in order to provide a way to complete forgiveness and redemption. The truth is, either way death is not the end and being a “good person” isn’t a substitution for being truly forgiven.
God tells us that by simply believing Jesus rose from the dead, confessing and turning away from our sin and making the Bible the true foundation of our life, we will be forgiven for our sins and live eternally in Heaven.
As you may know, I am far from perfect and if you have doubts about that I’m sure you can find a multitude of people who can confirm that. I have made countless mistakes and bad judgments and will again in the future despite my best intentions. It is because of this that I am exceedingly thankful I can go directly to God and ask for help, ask for forgiveness and know that God's mercy is new every morning as I continually work to keep my foundation on God's Word. Truly accepting God's love, mercy and a true freedom offered in a life firmly anchored in His Word is something there simply aren't words to describe.
I have to admit that I regularly take that for granted and listening to the words in a song like “Via Dolorosa” is one way to help remind me of the sacrifice Jesus made on that cross. Deciding to live for Christ was without a doubt the best decision I made in my life. Don’t get me wrong, it didn’t solve all my problems and make my life perfect. But I have a peace and hope only God can offer and I know in God’s eyes He sees a child forgiven rather than condemned. Now that I am a parent I can’t even begin to imagine what it must be like for God to watch His children exercise their free will when they chose to reject Him rather than embrace the salvation He offers each of us.
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Apparently if a popular group wants to alienate someone who is not in their camp, they need only use an extreme name to label that person, and the effect on the larger population is a view that the labelled person should be avoided.
Kinda like pro-choice folks being called pro-abortion, or vice versa. Name-calling is very powerful, and the area where you can cross into it is gray and shady.
The video does not play.
Apparently that clip was removed. Sorry for the inconvenience. I added a different clip of the same interview.
Thanks for the heads up on that so I could fix it!
While I am not certain of Justice Scalia's position on same sex issues, or yours for that matter, I think I could take an opportunity to apply some of my grad school metaphor theory here!
Defense of Marriage propositions:
Let's take the word defense--conceptual metaphor theory would link this word to WAR concepts. You don't defend or protect unless you feel as though something is at risk or threatened. In this case, I think Defense of Marriage suggests that the belief that marriage is one man, one woman is being threatened. And feeling threatened usually involves some level of fear.
So, while you may not fear homosexual people, the lifestyle and structure, potentially extending similar rights to them might cause you to believe your own beliefs and structures are at risk. So, I would say there is some fear in that. And that would be a homophobic.
Whether it was a professional, respectful way to speak is a different story, but I don't think his linguistic choice was inaccurate.
If there is some other position at play that I'm not aware of, I'd love to hear it.
Lesley
VERY interesting take, Lesley, and not one I would have thought of. While I can see your point (and am really glad you brought it up)... I still have to disagree.
I think for me, the term "homophobe" is bigger than just the Defense of marriage act. If someone were to call me a homophobe because I don't support gay marriage, I would be extremely offended... because, following your line of logic, that would make me a "loss-of-hetero-rights/traditions/values-phobe"... I'd be afraid of losing the heterosexual marriages. Not afraid of gay people.
Oh yeah... and it also reminds me of another completely misused word:
"TOLERANCE."
If you are a Christian and disagree with things popular in today's culture (even IF you don't fight against those things, or badmouth those things, or are good friends with people who DO those things), you are labeled "intolerant."
If you do everything popular in today's culture, but speak out and act emphatically opposed to a Christian belief system, you are "tolerant."
Sure, Emily. One belief does not define a person. it is more complicated than that. Of course, seeing a gay person isn't going to send you running in fear. But I do see opposition to same sex marriage as a homophobic position. Homophobic acting as an adjective to describe the position. I don't use it here as a dirty word, or a label for a person, simply as a descriptor. I am fairly certain Barney Frank wasn't being so judicious.
I'd like to hear more about this concern with the word tolerance. Both you and Brittany mentioned it. I'm not sure that I fully understand. What does Tolerance mean to you?
For me at least... it's allowing other people to be who they are (GLBT, Mormon, Athiest, liberal, etc.) while completely disagreeing with them.
Do I try to share with them about what I believe, do, see, etc.? For the most part, yes. I don't accept their position, but I accept that they have a different belief. (the whole concept of agreeing to disagree.)
I don't see anything wrong with that.
However... Christians are often labeled as intolerant simply because we won't accept others' positions. I am "intolerant" because I believe abortion is wrong. I am "intolerant" because I don't support gay marriage.
One caveat... some "Christians" go to the extreme... I'm not talking about them here. I'm talking about people like Britt and I... normal, Bible-believing, Jesus-loving, people... trying to do what is right.
I don't know if that helped at all.
NOW JUST HOLD ON THERE EM! Yes, "I" am normal...but you...ahhh not so much. :)
Great conversation going!! I hope others join in. That's all from me at this point. But I will chime in again...
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